I cannot agree more with you guys…No, no no. A big no to violence!

No to violence.
Can we also tell gerakan youth to stop their demostration in KL. It may lead to violence.

This type of unethical & thuggish tactics against any party or individual should be strongly condemned!

I don’t think any Gerakan member or supporter will resort to this type of behaviour.

Most probably, I think, the person or persons who sent the threatening message to Gerakan youth, must have run short of factual evidences to safe-guard themself against allegation to CM’s rented luxury bungalow.

Sadly there are certain quarters within the party demonising and criticising the Youth in websites, blogs, facebooks etc even though they should have a clear picture what is the event about but spinned it.  Ketua Pemuda and related parties have explained very clear it has nothing to do with violence.  They have planned professionally to support the good cause and about 10 security guards are to be provided by the organiser.  So if dont know or pretend not to know,  please for the sake of the party, stop the nonsense!  Be like Penang Youth which is seen to be united.

i agree with vincent.

Gerakan should not be involved with activity that may lead to violence.

Penangites,

Are u joining also? I think u should since u are so much for it. Have the first hand experience and then u can boost to us all how bave u are to stand in the front role against the FRU….Then i believe what u say and not just here to instigate…

This is gerakan website and we use this as a platform to discuss and exchange view on party issue and stand (i don’t mean non member cannot put comment here. Pls, by all mean!). Since u are not a member or ex-member and are not contributing ideas other than just scolding, instigating and calling others all sort of name, i wonder what u motive in this blog here.

I don’t think others are comfortable with ur present. U make a lot of claims but do u have any prove? If have, pls share with us!

My point is if u want to hantem, also hantem with some solid points. I think all of us do that. To me, u are just barking at whoever support BN and gerakan despite whether it is good or bad.

Share something solid, would u pls…

According to one famous Chinese saying, “If you are pointing your fore-finger at somebody, there are three other fingers pointing at your own self”.

Needless for me to explain, I’m sure “Penangites” knows what it means.

Therefore I would like to suggest to “Penangites” that, before you start your comment, irrespective whether good or bad, please do some home-work thoroughly first.

In addition, after taking your bath, look at the mirror carefully, comb your hair properly, remember , don’t ever forget to check your own face, see whether there is any dirt or dark spots .

It is common knowledge that, it is easy to find dirt or dark spots on other’s face, but definitely CANNOT see any dirt, dark spots or shit on your own face.

I strongly agree with “Wisely” & appreciate his opinions. This is Greakan Spirit. Satu Hati !

Penangites,

I apologise if my former comment hurt u. U look much more reasonable in ur lastest comment. Of course, u are most welcome to comment in this blog as this is one of the purpose this website is set up! That is to engage the public expecially the opposing one. My whole point to my last comment is that u substanciate ur claim with facts and figure. Is good to know how the opposing ones in Penang feel about gerakan and that i thank u for that but i also believe penang people or penangites as a whole would listen to reason and are rational people. That’s my whole point to my last comment!

As to the the whole thing about the demo thing, i like to conclude in this humble view of mine. I think with the recent tragic death of teoh, more demo will be held and we can have a better picture of what is demo all about in Malaysian context.

Shamely to admit that only now i begin to see and understand the whole thing about this demo thing. I believe to those who support it, they see ‘heroes’ in the making. And for this i think is good for gerakan youth and gerakan as a whole. From the comments, i believe we will be look upon as heroes and not only ‘kowtow’ to UMNO. This is good publicity for gerakan. A plus. Whether we agree to it or not i believe this is the effect of a demo. Pakatan use this whole demo thing as a tool to depict themselves as rakyat heroes. All their ADUNs and MPs are known by rakyat as demostrators and therefore held as heroes of the rakyat. That how they get their momentum going.

As for us who doesn’t agree with this method and view this as violence and advocate more peaceful methods such as negotiating, discussion or more civilise method, so to say, may be view as weakling in today Malaysia political scenerio. With the present laws still operating against illegal assembly, there’s bound to be violent in this approach but i think certain section of the population like it and it is held as an effective tool for PR to get their support.

As for Teoh death, i am full of simpathy for his family and expecially for his pregnant fiancee. I agree with Khoo kay peng that MACC should be held responsible or at least answerable since it happen while he was in their custody. SUHAKAM also question why he was interrogate into the wee morning. But i also agree with MACC that he was not a suspect but a witness since he was not an ADUN who was to be investigated. As to his death, i personally see it as a sacrifice for his party that he loved and served - with due respect!

I am also grateful to see both our Tan Sri and national youth chief, si pin want an independent inquiry to be set up to look into the case even to investigate the case into the lubang cacing!

From both cases of the support of GMI and Teoh’s death, i hope Penangites(all penang people) will see gerakan is still a party trying to do what is best for the rakyat and not as alleged by many as only know how to ‘kowtow’ to UMNO!

Hidup Gerakan!

Penangites,

I wrote a 5128 words as a response to u but when i summited it, it didn’t goes thru as it was over the limit of 5000 words!

However this is the gist of it:

I support two party system bec it is the best in the country. Its good to have a strong opposition to check and balance.

I agree with u for the above points. But i will also give u the reasons why i still choose to support BN:

1.  I cannot trust anwar as u cannot trust umno. He is a master of politician and a popularist, a master of disgust and a man of no principle. he will do whatever it take to come to power and who know what he will do if he achieve his goal. his short term as acting PM had bring more harm than good. trying to put Malay as head of school in chinese school, introduce subjects like tamadun islam and islamic law to all form 6 and university student etc…

2.  I don’t want an islamic states and hudud law. PAS will never let go of this goal. In fact the formation of PAS is to islamic this country and all its people. I don’t think DAP is strong enough to stop it. When PAS play out the issue in Kuala Trengganu, Anwar supported it. No one in DAP voice out against it except Karpal singh. LGE and LKS stoodby anwar instead and remain silent. I believe i got the confirmation when i see Nga Kor Ming recite quran to please the malay voters in Bukit gantang.

2.  About the reform brought by UMNO on conversion issue and 30% bumi quota, PAS stood against it when UMNO push for the reform. In Kedah they want 50% instead of 30% and we all saw the show DAP put up after PAS Kedah gov abolish the abboitor. (UMNO have change here but not PAS.)

3.  PR cannot rule as one. They have different agendas. Actually this is their weakness but they made it look like as though it is a strong point. No one kowtow to anyone. I believe if PAS will to push thru Islamic state PR will falls apart unless DAP kowtow and compromise.

4.  To add a little more on islamic states, i know many now are not scared of Islamic states but i believe they don’t really know what it means. In a typical islamic states like arab saudi, no religious book of other religion is allowed in the country. If we got in trouble into with law, the consequence is more severe. I think a thief will rather stay in prison for two years than be an OKU!( i want this country to remain a secular state.)

5.  Present umno leaders are implementing some really good measure and we just wait and see. in 1000 days from now we will see whether they walk the talk. 100 days to put everything in place and 1000 days to carried it out. I think people are happy with it so far. As we can see the swing in youth voters in Manik Urai.

6. I believe the changes Anwar can bring to us, the non is just all these. He is very quiet now. Don’t forget there’s still PAS in PR against the economic reform.

7. PR too are not short of issues. In Penang, Maybe the chinese are better off because of DAP but how about other states. (look at kedah). Indians in selangor are also not help enough by present selangor PR gov. There are also many issues raise by the indian PR leaders there. Is penang CAT really transparent? LGE is not wrong to rent a bungalow, renovate it. he has all the right to do that. but just bec he promise CAT, then he has to be transparent and should answer the questions posted to him regarding this. And then the Kg pala issue.

I think we all want the best for this country though we may choose different platform to do so. I always tell others to choose the best. PR is new and it is fair only to give them time but BN also promise reform. Both need time to prove themselves and we still have 1000 days to the next PRU. So, Let us all see who turn out to be the better of the two!

I apologise for writing long comments. Maybe some are already feel bore reading it but i still need to write one here. So pls bare with me.

I guess what i am trying to say is that in politic especially looking at a country as a whole, it’s not the small things that what matter. it is the bigger picture that we must look at. Here, i just draw a comparisan between what people complaint about BN but now also been practise by PR:

1.  Project - i think by now we know also PR also give projects to their supporters. I just got a news from a friend today saying that a ADUN in Selangor tell his friend that it is ok as long as not as teruk as BN. In Perak also while PR rules,  i also heard it is being practised

2. land - i also have info that PR leader also receive land from state gov

3.  Morality issue- happen also to PR as to BN. I know people are very supportive of her simply bec her privacy was breach but her partner was a malay and she should know very well that for him is wrong by his religion but of course for her is ok.

4. Suspension - Selangor speaker also suspense BN ADUN for insubordination as like BN. Perak PR speaker try to do the same.

5.  Selangor issue - I think no body is interested in the MACC investigation for abuse of fund now bec of teoh’s death. But there’s must be a valid reason behind such a big scale investigation.  Also the alleged underworld connection as expose by Wee Choo Keong and the reason Azmin Ali call for reshuffle of Exco as to BN

6.  Money politic - as alleged happened in PAS before the party election in giving gifts

7. Bribery and corruption - accepting gift or asking fees intern of service render. I have heard of been practise in PR.

8.  unfulfill promised and pledge

9.  unfair tactic- as by LGE in slitting and meeting one particular side of resident

I think is the same for both side. What took BN 50 years to formulate are also being preactise by PR in over a year in power.

Actually in deciding who to support, i feel we should look at bigger picture. For example in US, i think is the social, economy and foreign policy that attract voters and not some petty things. The direction the country is moving forward.

Actually that was what attract people to vote for PR in the first place. The promises made by anwar if PR rules as to what Najib offers in his reform now. I guess that what we, voters should look at today. (Definitely not the death of an individual that should decide the future of this country whose death still remain very much a mystery as play out by PR on people emotion as they did since last election!)

I too was shocked, sadden and angered when i first heard of his death. I too want an answer! I too want an independent body to investigate the matter. Gerakan and MCA call for it! But i just cannot stay emotional or i won’t be rational.

I give it a thought. I agree with LGE that MACC is answerable simply because he was in their premis and under their interrogation but i don’t think he was ‘kill’ by MACC simply bec MACC don’t have any reason to do so. He is not the target of their investigation. Even if they want to finish him off, do u think they will do it at their own backward. Look at the consequence now, how much anger aiming at them. Just think rationally for a moment. It’s not only stupid but moron for them to do it and do it there!

About the racist thing, DAP in former PR Perak gov was called by many Malay bloggers using that name simply bec they only help one particular race while they were in power or at least seen by many as so. I think now PAS is more ‘racist’ than UMNO to call and ask for the 30% bumi quota to stay and even increase it in Kedah!

darren,

gerakan leader especially KHOR and some of their members hv sold their soul to their master UMNO many years ago, they sold many of our right and interest for their political interest. Now when got life involve (boon hock case), they also still that cold blood and act like nothing happen at all, follow just like what their Master did. I really damn angry with Gerakan stand on this issue now. Is totally unacceptable not only for its member but outsider as well.

Gerakan and some of their member only got guts to hamtam penangites and protest in front CM house only…dont call your party fight for rakyat and dont call your leader human, cant qualify as animal also.

Even some animal will stay unite and fight their enemy when danger occur but not cool down seeing their same kind being slaughter.

It just prove what i commented about gerakan so far is correct(before boon hock case). Many rakyat penang is very unhappy with gerakan after this incident.( I not making this accuse, go ask around)

Gerakan doing a very wrong move on this issue and its digging its own grave even deeper…

Correction: BN & PR

Penangites,

U have improve by putting others writing! U want to change or Khoo want to change the gov? with PR? HINDRAF don’t want. They wanted but now they dont want. They said Indians should also not have trusted PR! So, they started an auternative third party! U want to join? Human Right Party! My point is all political party started out right. If no UMNO, MCA and MIC where come the independent? But now everyone says they are corrupt. How about PR? Just give a few years more and see who getting fatter and fatter. If i am not wrong, some already are.

MACC didn’t allow lawyer to accompany during interrogation. That’s i also didn’t and still don’t agree! but how about LGE in Kg pala issue.
He also wouldn’t want them to be accompany by a lawyer! U see the similarity, the pattern forming?

The call to calm doesn’t mean to shut up. Everyone is talking about the issue. Who can shut up? I can’t. I am also talking about it. But we hope it won’t get out of hand and that’s why we appeal for calm. We ourselves are angry because we don’t want to end up like him one day. Do u? Let’s put it this way - One has died and u want many more to follow? His father, though is a taxi driver, is rational to know the consequence, if it get out of hand. I am also a chinese like u, so believe me i understand. Trust me, this is not a racial issue. Maybe i should not have written this part but I just want to prove this point. Don’t. Don’t. Don’t see this racial.

There’s flaws in the system. Every reasonable man can see it. That’s why to certain extent, i agree with PR struggle. I advocate a strong opposition and two party system for check and balance. That’s the best for our country.

have u read malaysiatoday article of their analysis on his death by suarakeadilan. If not, read it. Its a good one. He could be push down. The question is by who? MACC or underworld or a third party? (I believe he try to prevent it by grapping the window part) We still don’t know. As i say earlier, i doubted MACC simply because i cannot see any motive. Unless caused by sudden fight or by accident because i cannot see any motive. More possible by underworld. They may have the motive because of the recent issues. Also they could have got the news about the interrogation as it is in the news and the place is poorly guarded. If it is really the work of the underworld, then it could link back to PR! since two top PKR leaders allege an PR exco have dealing with them. So, just calm down and follow the investigation as the truth unveil! If my analysis is true, then everyone barks at the wrong tree! Just wait and see.

To Mr. KOh TSu Khoon, i just want to apologize to u regarding my comment. i know my comment is too emotional cause the death of BEng HOCk. Hope u din mind. i wish to delete my comment, but can’t. so sorry.

anyway, i hope u can do something to help Beng Hock family. especially must urge prime minister to built a Royal Commission.

Gerakan need a better coverage and public relation. KTK have voice out the need of a Royal Commission on this issues.  Maybe Gerakan coverage in the press is lacking and be seen in this issue?  Gerakan have its fair share to create a fair and just society.  It have done wonder and it need to do more for the new generation Y. 

They need to know why, how and what.  Gerakan leaders should move forward and march forward to counter issues that face our country economic, social and education issues.  More press release and continous groundwork to win back the lost ground in Penang. Work harder THN and his team to capture the mind and heart of Penang lang.

Let work together and

GMI already say don’t want to apply permit for the gathering at KL. So, it is an illegal demostration.

Gerakan youth still want to join ah?????
You guys in gerakan youth never think properly…....it is an illegal demostration…..
stupid to join GMI…...fuck the person who suggest to join GMI!

how can gerakan say they are against threat and violence?

The gerakan youth is promoting illegal demostration with GMI. No permit from police. May end up with violence.

SO, what r u going to say koh tsu koon???

Tell me as a component party in BN are you equal to umno. Who is calling the shot in BN?

If you have read the article posted in imagine you would understand more.

With the pathetic state we are in who will not get emotional, tell me, we have to beg for everything. Right?

When you guy were ruling Panang and the Free Port stauts was taken away, did you guys fought to retain it. Yes you tell me how hard did you guys fought. we had all the privileges then, what happened???

Who is good at exploiting issues for their advantage… this question is best answered by looking at the present rubbish happening in the country. Don’t go far just look at the present TBH case…

Proof to us that Gerakan MPs and Aduns are fighting to protect the chinese interest…then I will show more respect.

http://www.malaysiatoday.com/Berita/gmi-tetap-berhimpun-walaupun-tanpa-permit.html

Can someone please ask the stupid gerakan youth to stop joining the illegal demostration on 1 August.
GMI already say they do not have permit.
So, it is illegal! Is gerakan youth going to be responsible for the violence if happen????????

Usually, at any debate,forum, meetings of NGO or state assembly & parliament, any topic or public matters are raised, discussed & argued,  there is always a set of rules & regulations or code of ethics to follow.

Likewise, over here, although, it’s not stated in black & white, it should be self-explanatory & adhered to as well.

Some of the above unscrupulous, demoralising & humiliating comments, really make me feel dazed & startled. I wonder why people nowadays are so lacked of moral principles & ethical values.  Is it because of our national education-policy, something is inadequate ?

If anyone wants to show that his political party or ideological beliefs are better than others, he should try all ways & means to convine them, in proper manner, rather than just pointing a finger at them, to humiliate & ridicule them. If so doing, you’re only having your points being minus.

In life, I always believe as the saying goes: “The more you read, the more you know that you know very little. The more you scold & ridicule people, the more you will realise that you are in no way better than them”.

So, why not work together, although we are of different political background & ideological beliefs, make this website/blog as a stage to share our ideas & knowledge.

Be it BN or PR, the component parties are still not treated as equal or on par with each other.Just take Penang CM as an example, When he was asked by reporter, who he would appoint to replace the state’s Deputy Chief Minister I, he didn’t have his own opinion, but had to leave it to PKR adviser Datuk Seri Anwar.

Take a look at Kedah PR government, who is dominating ? Do all component parties enjoy equal rights & shares ? PR still has not taken over the Federal Government, PAS has already demanded that the PM post should go to PAS.

seow hock chin,
did you know that GMI is not planning to get a permit for the gathering?
Is that an illegal demostration then?
Do you agree that gerakan youth should promote an illegal demostration?
People don’t like demostration!

would be better if gerakan do not join anything that is illegal. Don’t follow DAP or PKR style and feel that they are above the law.

““Just take Penang CM as an example, When he was asked by reporter, who he would appoint to replace the state’s Deputy Chief Minister I, he didn’t have his own opinion, but had to leave it to PKR adviser Datuk Seri Anwar.”“

This is also happening in BN. The umno PM will ask the Gerakan and MCA chief who do they recommend to fill the various post alloted to them…followed by a proposal list by their respective chief. In other words the PM don’t select but request for nominees from Gerakan and MCA chief who they want their own members to take up the various position.

SO IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE?? from what Penang CM did.

penangites.

Cari makan mah, so they must be loyal otherwise no minister post.

If umno says stand, Gerakan will stand up, sit gerakan will sit… good boys Gerakan.

penangites,

u are so stupid. the issue is that it is an illegal demostration. If there is permit, then okay to join.
Gerakan and other BN party is not a violent party like pakatan rakyat.
Get it?

fido,

u r silly, no body ask u to go violent, is a peaceful demo, u just use this as an excuse not to join to please your master…u first day born?

Its just prove that u all gerakan especially youth is too long pamper by your master and become creature with no ball, no backbone, no brain, no guts and no shame.

This is what your master want u all become so that u all forever parasite under your master. get it??

gary,

the law is dead, the human is alive, dont be so dumb head. You think your master UMNO will obey the law??
If u not sure, i give u answer, no way they will. They are above the law, what a bunch of childish and naive gerakan youth…u all too long parasite under your master and cant determine what is right and good for rakyat, only think how to please your master. (all gerakan have currently is from their master, is begging, not fight for)

u all need to open up your view and thoughts… the political environments is changing, if your host got problem and in the process of dying, gerakan need to find new host already, else die with the host forever…

If Gerakan wants to survive it has to go back to its original Gerakan like in the old days. I used to attend all their gathering or celebration as a young man and was happy to associate with them. Living in Chulia street was no joke as it was infested with gangsters and often we would complain to the nearest Gerakan service centre. Promp action were taken and the police would step up their patrols. Their politicians were good and often would listen to the ground voices.

Gerakan was known to us as a party with intellectual politician as compared to MCA which was then becoming from bad to worst and often looking after their business interest.

Gerakan, since joing BN has had learned the bad side of MCA and was playing second fiddle and this went on and on and we could see it very clearly in Penang.

I am sure I do not have to mention of the various side effects of Gerakan until the last GE.

There were so many issues affecting the chinese in Penang and I am sure you all know of it. Koh was weak and gave in to all the demands of BN/umno, the result Gerakan had to go. Probably here the Gerakan Youth was not strong in keeping up with their principles. They should have voiced out more to keep the parties leaders inline and in check.

The youth movement in all political parties plays a major part in controlling their leaders. They have the closest contact with the ground. Here I should say the Gerakan youth did not play a meaningful part in the party but followed the party leaders and became yes man youth movement. The Gerakan Youth movement must be strong.

The side effects of Gerakan is now slowing surfacing and the blame is put on the present government which is not right.

As a Penang Lang, the only way for Gerakan to survive is to leave BN and start all over again. As an independent party they will be able to recapture some seats and can play an effective part in the governance of Penang. Gerakan still has the support from the ground and unless Gerakan can show that they don’t not need BN especially umno, the confidence of Penang Lang especially the chinese will again tilt towards Gerakan.

Gerakan also need to take in more Malays and Indians into their party and they should be given more respect and to be treated as equal. If there are not enough malay and indian voices in Gerakan, how can can they vote for you. Some of them must also be given high position in Gerakan to balance the top structure.

Infighting in Gerakan must stop for the survival of the party. Changes in thinking must follow suit. Gerakan divisional/district heads must be at places where and when it is required.

Very simple examples, when there are houses burned, they must visit that place and provide some comfort and probably make request for assisstance. Another example when it is published in the papers that so and so need medical attention, Gerakan and youth leaders must play a part. They must visit the families concern and do something about it. If the Present governmant starts a fund raising campaign, Gerakan must do the same. Right..I am sure you have been doing it…

I am condeming Gerakan and calling names because I am not satisfied with the performance of Gerakan.

gerakan youth need to be more creative when handling issues for the rakyat.
Don’t simply do activiy which will fire back at the own party. For example like joining the GMI illegal gathering.
Instead, gerakan youth should directly have a dialogue with hishamuddin to discuss about ISA> At least that would see more action than just shouting.

To retake Penang, it is the job of the Gerakan Youth. The youth leader must be of strong character and to be seen doing his job. He cannot be a yes man and just warming his seat. If there are no positive showing by the youth leader, he must be voted out.

With a strong youth leader he must take step how to revatilize the youth. There must be in place action plans how to get to the ground and service the supporters. Do not forget, even thought DAP is running the state, the youth also has a role to play to provide the raayat basic requirement and problems solving of their immediate problems…through working with the central committee.

If you do not show your interest and maintain the services to the raayat you may loose them all.

Find out the needs of your supporters and write letters to the DAP government that certain things need to be carried. Say for example a road need to be repaired fast for the convenience of the motorist. Paste a copy of this letter on your notice board for your supporters to see. If the road is repaired you would get the praise of the ppl. If not repaired or slowing in implementing the anger will be on DAP government. This is psychological warfare.

On the other hand when a project is implemented by the present government..find out what it is all about and how to improve that project. Make statements that says the project is good and we wellcome the project but the project can be further improved if this or that are included in it and this will enhance the raayats prosperity, livelihood or conviences…etc etc. Then the raayat will start thinking hey Gerakan is monitoring the DAP government and even suggesting this and that. Don’t you think the ppl will start thinking and come back to supporting Gerakan.

But don’t find fault with the present government, reason the raayat will say you are finding cheap publicity and that is bad. Finding fault is not the way to do things.

You have to go on a psychological approach in winning back the support

Demonstration

There are many who are for illegal demonstration and many do not agree. We have to look at it from the various angles whether it will bring benefit or not.

Why in the first place illegal demonstration..well the leaders have some or a bit of courage to organize one and in doing so attract much attention. The supporters turn up demonstrating and as the demonstration grows bigger the leaders will make speeches and inviting loud applause, clapping and shouting from the supporters…Here the leaders will build up more courage and speeches will turn nasty and hurt feelings..even the feelings of bystanders.

As the demonstration get bigger it obstruct traffic and motorist will horn,shout and show their 2 fingers??? What happens next..the demonstrators will get angry at those motorist?? What happens if someone throw a plastic bottle of water at the demonstration???? What happens when the police act to disperse the crowd..surely there are ppl getting hurt..won’t you think the demonstrators will turn violent and start overturning cars, breaking public properties etc etc. Though it has not come to this level in malaysia, but prevention is better than cure and the government is making sure that this stage is not reached at all. A precedence cannot be set by the demonstrators in destroying public properties. If this precedence is set, the next demonstration will automatically see burning of public and private properties. This has been proven throughout the world.

Yes you can say it is your constitutional rights to a demonstration but others says I want my rights to be able to drive peacefully and or walk peacefully unhindered. I am paying my taxes and I expect the authorities to ensure my peace…

See it work both way and the government is at fault for not providing the peace and not allowing the demonstration. Yes you and me want freedom in democracy but freedom must have certain boundaries.

Meng,

a very good analysis about the illegal demostration.

At least now those stubborn people in gerakan youth can understand why people also have the right to peaceful living.
Some say that this is just an idea from a few gerakan youth who just want publicity. But I think those are selfish bastard who don’t think of the rakyat who want peace. FUCK THEM!

We often hear people complained why umno or BN can demonstrate and others cannot. In regard to this we have to look at all the demonstration carried out so far.

In my observation the demonstration held by Pakatan, there were never an instant Police action. The demonstration were allowed for a short duration after which they were asked to disperse. In most cases, the opposition wanted to have it longer. There are proof of video shots that the Police had allowed a certain time frame and after this time was up the demonstrators refused to disperse.!!! Whose fault was it if the police acted and arrested them. If you are given fifteen or 30 minutes to show your displeasure, so be it. Why make life difficult for others and the police who are following orders and it is in the constitution a gathering of above 5 persons are considered illegal.

Similarly in the BN demonstration they are also given a time limit. The only different is that when BN demonstrators were asked to disperse, they obeyed the police instruction and dispersed peacefully.

In the last demo at the MACC , the crowd had dispersed but there were still a small group who refused to do so. The police told a Pakatan YB “YB… please disperse”” but the answer was..more or less he wants to stay. The police replied “YB if you don’t move I will arrest you.” The YB still didn’t move and he was arrested…and of course that YB passed a remark ‘You Bastard”“

See the difference??

One may ask why is the government against demonstration….we have to go back during the period of communist insurgency. Everytime the communist youth demonstrated it disrupted businesses..shop keepers closed their shops and shoppers had to run like sheep, vehicles flow were disrupted…traffic jams and children crying in the cars. Those who were caught between the demonstrators and the police didn’t know what to do and some women sat down and cried. I was fortunate to have witnessed two such occasions where there were fear driven into the general public.

We have also to look at the government concept of KESBAN or Keselamatan dan Pembangunan or Security and Development. Without security there is no development, Without security the livelihood of the general public daily life is disrupted. Security and development goes hand in hand.

My observation

Dear Editor,
can you run a poll whether the people really agree that illegal demostration is the best way to protest against ISA?

i think no need poll. Just see how many people from gerakan youth attend the GMI illegal demostration.

That will show clearly how many gerakan youth agree or not.
Anything less than 100 will show that it is just a personal show by some idiot from gerakan youth.

For info, every geraakn member want ISA to be amend or abolish. The issue is most think that it is useless and not good to join an illegal demostration. It may cause violence. Gerakan do not support violence and threat.

I think the poll is not necessary.

ALl the youth chief already say support it. why do we need the poll then?

penangite,
please stop destroying the gerakan youth legal bureau activity. it has been agreed by all the youth CC.
Our youth chief already support it.
What else you want to say?

gerakan youth,
please don’t bluff.

talk much useless, lets wait and see…

There is so many political and non political party, NGO, society, and many other groups are participating on this historical moment even including your racist master UMNO(support ISA group) as well, and yet, coward chicken gerakan choose to stay out of it…

Want to do something good for your party and for the rakyat and nation also that difficult and hard for your party and members…so scare so chicken so lame and so useless.

Gerakan is the party proven that dont hv principle at all and in dilemma…i really pity your party and your lame leader.

Dear gerakan and members, this is the historical moment for our nation that rakyat stand up and voice their loud message that want to abolish ISA, wake up !! No time for coward now, if you all miss this important moment, then for ever party gerakan will be reject by rakyat. This party is certified useless party in Malaysia. Cannot do anything for its own party and rakyat.

支持反对内安令团体罔顾警告
本周六两阵营大游行势在必行

虽然在游行前夕突遭警方恫言对付，不过两组“支持”与“反对”内安法令的团体，都坚持本周六的大游行不会取消。

废除内安法令联盟（GMI）与回教徒协商理事会（Pewaris）今日不约而同地指出，他们将不理会警方的警告，大游行集会势在必行。

废除内安令联盟不与警会面

废除内安法令联盟赛依布拉欣（Syed Ibrahim Syeh Noh，右图）更表示，该联盟甚至不理会警方的要求，拒绝在今午2点半前往吉隆坡警区总部进行会谈。

“既然警方已经发出警告，那么就算我们现在会见警方，也不会出现多大分别。更何况，我们现在还在忙着准备周六游行的工作。”

在打定主意不会见警方后，赛依布拉欣表示，该联盟将会致函警方，告知后者这次游行的详情及目的。

拥护派要以游行捍卫马来人

至于作为拥护内安法令的代表，回教徒协商理事会也强调，他们不会放弃周六游行的计划。

该理事会第二署理主席拉希幕丁（Rahimuddin Md Harun，右图）受询时指出，该联盟将捍卫内安法令，以保障马来人的权益。

针对警方的警告，他反呛说：“警方并不能决定，到底什么对这个国家最好。”

警方扬言先发制人捕游行者

吉隆坡总警长莫哈末沙都已在昨日警告，要求这两个联盟打消在吉隆坡市中心游行的念头。

他重申，警方并没有给任何阵营发出准证，因此两方面的集会都属于非法集会，而警方将采取严厉行动对付参与游行的人士。

83组织组成废除内安令联盟

配合《1960年内安法令》制订49年，废除内安法令联盟（GMI）将在8月1日举行“废除内安法令大游行”，要求政府释放所有扣留者、废除这项允许未经 审讯扣留的恶法以及关闭霹雳州甘文丁扣留营。

废除内安法令联盟由83个非政府组织、政党、学运团体、女权团体及人权组织组合而成，代表性比较广阔，而支持度也日益上升。18个华团及青年团以及22个学运组织的支持，也在今日表态支持反内安法令大集会，并号召公众踊跃出席。

至于回教徒协商理事会所率领的联盟，则是由12个马来人非政府组织组成，大部分皆是亲国阵的支持者。

两阵营支持者游行服饰各异

废除内安法令联盟已要求支持者，身穿黑衣或红衣，参与周六的游行。作为拥护方的回教徒协商理事会，则促请己方的游行者，身穿白衣赴会。

按照目前的计划，拥护内安法令的游行者，将在2点于中央艺术坊（Pasar Seni）、国家回教堂（Masjid Negara）及市中心的玛莫草场（Padang Merbok）集合，再游行至独立广场。

过后，拥护内安法令的游行者将从独立广场出发，游行至国家皇宫呈交备忘录。

而废除内安法令联盟，则同样在2点，于十合百货购物中心（Sogo）、占美回教堂和国家回教堂集合，接着直接游行到国家皇宫提呈备忘录。

两大阵营将在国家回教堂率先碰面，过后到达国家皇宫也会再次碰头，互相叫阵的意味浓厚。

拥护支持阵容“星味”较淡人数逊

民联巨头包括人民公正党实权领袖安华、回教党精神领袖聂阿兹及行动党国会领袖林吉祥，预料都会参与废除内安法令联盟的游行。

回教徒协商理事会的“星味”则显得较为淡，因为巫青团长凯里已劝请党员，不能出席反对或支持内安法令的集会。

也因如此，拉希幕丁预料，支持内安法令的游行者将会远远逊于反对派的游行者。

“再加上我们没有资金进行准备，我们甚至没有传单，来通知公众有关于我们游行的详情。”

“我们不像废除内安法令联盟，拥有很多赞助者，特别是民联领袖的赞助。”

Penang Boy,

don’t worry. Most gerakan youth members and leaders are rational. I believe there will not be many attending the illegal demostration.
Just wait and see.

penang boy,

i forgot to add on the previous comments, the term rational use by gerakan = coward, chicken, no ball use by rakyat.

Gerakan hv its own dictionary.

penangite,
if you so like the illegal demostration, i suggest you go and join. Don’t talk here and never go.

If u all gerakan youth that want to do some good things or good cause for your own, your party or rakyat, also need to get party top gun approval or black and white, then what can we all or rakyat expect this party can do??

i agree with william. It is penangite who did not get the picture. Gerakan is against ISA. Gerakan also against illegal demostration.
There is so many other ways to ask ISA to be cancel.
Why really do we need illegal demostration? Please explain, if you can.

penangites,

i am a gerakan member. I just had lunch with some friends from gerakan youth in selangor. For your info, most of them feel that the ISA demostration by GMI is illegal and they are not joining.
They support the abolishment of ISA. But they (including me) think that it is wrong to support illegal demostarion.
besidest that, hishamuddin and the government already say going to review the ISA law. so, why should we join the demostration?
i think is certain people who just want publicity is trying to use it to do politic.

anyway, if those people really concern about the country, then they should not organise illegal and violent demostration.
that is just my view. you can call us chicken, etc but at least we can think rational.

The Reporter

I would like to report a death,
An unfortunate suicide I must confess,
The newspaper fell from the 14th floor,
Now it tells the truth no more.

An injury to the head, it seems,
Tongue missing, they heard no screams,
Autopsy shows poison in the ink,
Must explain why some headlines stink,

Stories spun into webs of lies,
For answers then, look to the skies,
Lips blue from chewing bribes,
The hole in integrity never looked this wide.

Yet blood that was found on grey concrete,
Belongs not to him that deservedly sleeps,
But hundreds of those who now lie cold,
Silenced swiftly for being bold.

Time of death, nobody knows,
Perhaps the day he sold his soul.
When your spine isn’t made of bone,
It’s time to carve your own gravestone.

So if you must cry, weep carefully,
It’s not like we lost some deity,
The news we knew was news no more,
Maimed by fear into foul folklore.

And if you must read, read between the lines,
Or thrust your ear to old grape vines,
The pen just died by its own sword,
We can rest in peace now, thank the Lord.

Rationale: The death of the newspaper as we know it. And a lot of us know a lot. It was propaganda that twisted the “news” surrounding the bombing of Palestine (or the Hamas if you like) by the Israelites. So we can believe that what we read isn’t real. All that ink used to write all those lies…you can say it’s the blood of the innocent being spilled onto papyrus. God bless Mr. Teoh and his family.

LoyarBurok postscript: Malaysian Mirror reported (July 28, 2009) that Malaysians are “less trustful of the media”.

Penangite,
i believe most gerakan youth members and leaders will not join the illegal demostration on saturday. just wait and see.
No one is above the law.
Only those idiots from pakatan rakyat think they are above the law.

千人志工团维持秩序保证和平
废内安令联盟冀人数追平黄潮
 
尽管面对警方恫言对付非法集会，并面对支持内安法令团体在同一时间号召另外一场集会“叫阵”，但是废除内安法令联盟（GMI）今日还是坚持，本周六下午的大集会是势在必行。

该联盟主席赛依布拉欣（Syed Ibrahim Syeh Noh）傍晚在回教党总部举行新闻发布会强调，他们还是会照原定计划，继续举行这场配合内安法令“生日”而举行大集会。

他也保证，这是一场和平和非暴力的集会，以让广大人民表明废除内安法令、释放扣留犯，以及关闭甘文丁扣留营，及呈交“人民宣言”给国家皇宫。

“我们很早已经做好计划，至于另外一方是否继续他们的集会，这是他们的自由。对我们而言，我们是邀请所有人和平地履行他们的权利。我们也制定好守则以打造我们有纪律，确保没有任何挑衅的气氛。”

支持内安法令者故意挑衅

针对回教徒协商理事会（Pewaris）选择在同一个时间发起支持内安法令的集会，赛依布拉欣则表示，废除内安法令联盟很早已经作出详细和清楚的计划，并非要试图挑起任何碰撞。

“大家应该记得，我们很早就计划要集会，但是另一个团体却突然说一些可以引起气氛紧张的话，这是不应该发生的。”

集会的筹委会副主席卡马鲁扎曼也批评，支持内安法令的捍卫国家非政府组织联盟（Magaran）在媒体上骂他们“去死”（pergi jahanam）是旨在挑衅，因此希望警方能够关注。

他透露，届时将有1000名来自全国各地的回教党志工团到场维持秩序，而他们已经告诉这些志工团必须尽量避免引发任何碰撞。集会筹委会也拟定好在国家回教堂的集会地点，以避免与用户内安法令团体发生混淆。

两天前已电传通知总警长

针对申请集会准证的问题，赛依布拉欣强调，废除内安法令联盟只会通知警方有关集会，并透露已经他们在两天前通过电传通知总警长和吉隆坡总警长。

“我们认为通知警方这是和平集会就已经足够，因此我们希望警方能够给予全力配合，确保集会顺利进行，不要做出任何挑衅。”

不愿揣测政府是否会镇压

他也不愿揣测政府是否会采取行动镇压，但是他表示，他们会做好准备措施，来确保现场不会出现混乱。他希望支持者能够带齐口罩、饮水和一些食物参与集会。

政治部官员昨拜访主办者

不过，他坦承，政治部官员曾经在昨天拜访他，指集会会引起骚动，而政府也准备探讨内安法令，来劝服他取消集会。

“他们的行动都一样。他们认为这是一场会引起混乱的集会，但是我的答案是这是一场宪法赋权的和平集会，我们有特定的目的，并非要搞乱。”

希望人数直追黄潮大集会

另一方面，赛依布拉欣也透露，这场集会获得多个单位的支持，包括民联三党、学生组织和华团都已经表明会参与，其中董教总将会派出一名副主席参与。

他表示，废除内安联盟希望这场集会人数能够比拟2007年的黄潮公选盟大集会。不过他过后改变口吻表示，只要有一个人出席，也算是胜利。

废除内安法令联盟由83个非政府组织、政党、学运团体、女权团体及人权组织组合而成，代表性比较广阔，而支持度也日益上升。至于回教徒协商理事会所率领的联盟，则是由12个马来人非政府组织组成，大部分皆是亲国阵的支持者。

废除内安法令联盟已要求支持者，身穿黑衣或红衣，参与周六的游行。作为拥护方的回教徒协商理事会，则促请己方的游行者，身穿白衣赴会。

按照目前的计划，拥护内安法令的游行者，将在2点于中央艺术坊（Pasar Seni）、国家回教堂（Masjid Negara）及市中心的玛莫草场（Padang Merbok）集合，再游行至独立广场。过后，拥护内安法令的游行者将从独立广场出发，游行至国家皇宫呈交备忘录。

废除内安法令联盟，则同样在2点，于十合百货购物中心（Sogo）、占美回教堂和国家回教堂集合，接着直接游行到国家皇宫提呈备忘录。

两大阵营预料将在国家回教堂率先碰面，过后到达国家皇宫也会再次碰头，相互叫阵的意味浓厚。

penangite,
I believe there will be a lot of people from pakatan rakyat joining the illegal demostration and to show that the malaysia government got problems.
Many pakatan rakyat leaders think that they are above the law.

What they are going to hope is police arrest them and there will big publicity for them!!!!
And did you see malaysiakini news yesterday that the GMI is also going to politicise the Teoh Beng Hock death to attract more crowd to the illegal demostration tomorrow?

I think everyone can sense that Penangite looks desperate in getting gerakan members to join the illegal demostration tomorrow.

Looks like desperate as rumours i hear is that almost all gerakan youth are not going to the GMI organised demostration as it is illegal. GMI bluff gerakan youth that they will get permit from police!!!

please don’t provoke gerakan people to join illegal demostration. I does not benefit anyone whether in gerakan or outside gerakan.

Gerakan Youth..I believed there were talks by some Gerakan members esp among the youth to leave BN, correct me if I am wrong.

You have to look at your ideology whether it is in harmony with BN especially umno’s political ideology. If there is a conflict of interest, I would suggest giving more thoughts to it and make a stand.

Pakatan is currently looking for partners…has Gerakan Youth given thoughts to join Pakatan.????

Just curious !!!!

I believe there is someone in gerakan youth who propose this stupid idea to join the illegal demostration ............without telling to the youth CC that it is illegal.
Very embarassing to gerakan youth.

it that news accurate?
if it is true, than well done gerakan youth.
Gerakan do not support violence and illegal demostration.

This is what rakyat say about Gerakan,

Useless party doing useless job…so true

Can’t achieve even a simple things and can so shamelessly telling that not joining due illegal…

Forever rakyat look down on Party Gerakan.

It is proven that Party Gerakan is the party that want to take the credit n cheap publication by submit early one day to the King from GMI. Luckily luck not on Gerakan side. Dont say GMI wan to be hero, is gerakan youth want to be using cheap tactic.

Beh Kian Siow.

抢先一天到国家皇宫呈备忘录
民青团却因没有预约无功而返

在支持与反对内安法令两大阵营号召大集会前夕，民青团突然从旁杀出，抢先一天到国家皇宫提呈“废除内安法令”的备忘录。不料，国家皇宫官员却指民青团没有事先预约，拒绝接受他们的备忘录，导致民青团无功而返。

媒体也是迟至今日早上才接到民政党的通知，以便采访这项出人意表的活动。

警方阻众人游行到皇宫

民青团长林时彬今午2点半左右，率领大约20名团员聚集在国家皇宫附近的一座建筑物，以便集体游行到国家皇宫。

不过，早已在现场驻守的警方却阻止民青团游行，遵从警方指示的林时彬与团员经过简短的讨论后，便决定分乘数辆汽车前往国家皇宫。

一波三折拒接受备忘录

在林时彬等人抵达国家皇宫后，警方开始时只允许他们派出5人，但是后来却只许林时彬一人靠近皇宫铁栅与官员交涉。

但是，经历一波三折的民青团，最终仍因为没有事先向皇宫负责人预约，因此官员拒绝接受他们的备忘录。

不参与明日“非法集会”

林时彬较后接受访问时表示，由于警方宣布明日的内安法令集会属于非法，因此民青团不会参与，并提前一日向元首提呈备忘录。

“因为吉隆坡总警长已经宣布明日是非法集会，所以非法的东西我们不会参加。”

What i say earlier now become true, now rakyat know what gerakan youth is make of, they just not using the word chicken or coward only…

what a blow to Gerakan youth thinking they can make cheap publicity this way…but at the end, done nothing at all and tarnish its own party image.

临阵退缩不再参与明日集会
民青团今呈备忘录皇宫拒收

作者／本刊黄书琪 Jul 31, 2009 05:05:30 pm

【本刊黄书琪撰述 / 苏晓枫摄影】民政党青年团团长林时彬最后一刻决定不参加明日的大游行，改在今午前往国家皇宫递交备忘录予国家元首，要求废除《1960年内部安全法令》，但先是被警方阻截，后遭皇宫行政人员拒收备忘录，最后在正门前召开记者会复遭警方施放呛鼻喷雾驱赶。
民青团原订明日参与废除《内安法令》大游行，但是，林时彬（左图）表示，由于警方已经宣布明日的大游行为非法活动，因此民青团将不再参与，但为了表达民青团欲废除《内安法令》的意愿，故临时改在今日从马联保险大厦（Menara MAA）步行前往国家皇宫递交备忘录。
不过，下午2时30分左右，林时彬、民青团副团长洪进达等20名团员出现在马联保险大厦时，却即刻引来金马警区警长卡迪（Karthik W.）关注。
双方交涉之后，林时彬决定采纳卡迪建议，分乘数辆车前往国家皇宫。
未呈通知皇宫拒收备忘录
由于皇宫路车流量大，林时彬等人约在下午三时抵达皇宫，十五碑警区主任旺阿都巴里（Wan Abdul Bari）马上趋前交涉，并同意由林时彬、洪进达及另一名民青团团员杨锦成共同成交备忘录。
但旺阿都巴里通知皇宫行政人员之后，又向林时彬表示，只允许一人靠近皇宫大门，因此，最后只有林时彬一人在大铁门前与皇宫的行政人员交涉。
这名行政人员告知林时彬，由于他们未先递交通知信函告知皇宫今日将呈交备忘录，因此皇宫方面拒收这份“要求废除《内安法令》”的备忘录。
民青团今日任务失败，林时彬现场召开记者会告知媒体，他们将尽快去信皇宫，并希望在下周再次向皇宫递交备忘录。
警方放有香橙味胡椒喷雾
林时彬不过是在国家皇宫大门外接受五分钟访问，但相信警方施放了有香橙味道的呛鼻胡椒喷雾，让现场二、三十名记者及民青团成员被迫离开。
Going to Sydney? What if you could forget about how expensive the air-fare could be? 
除了民青团成员出现在现场外，律师公会也派出两名观察员沙哈（Saha Deva A.）与陈永建到场观察。不过，十五碑警区已经安置超过50名警员在皇宫正门，除了制服警官，还有20几名政治部员警在现场观望。
林时彬表示，尽管民青团不参加明日的游行，但是他们依然认同“废除内安法令联盟”的诉求。不过，他强调这并不表示民青团支持人民联盟，仅仅是因为民青团感受到，民间强力施压废除《内安法令》，所以该团认为有必要出面表达立场，而且，这也不违背政府检讨《内安法令》的政策方向。
另外，民青团最后一刻抽身不参与明日的大游行，引来吉隆坡及雪兰莪中华大会堂青年团批评。该团团长吴仲顺今午发表文告，抨击民青团在警方扬言对付参与者后，就转口表示不参与“非法集会”，“已经违反了民青团之前所说的‘秉持捍卫维护宪法精神的立场’”，他希望民青团坚持先前立场，做对的事情。

many already say earlier that this was a cheap publicity stunt by certain invididual in gerakan youth. They did not expect the Istana would reject their memorandum.

All this had been plan from the first day.

Itulah bagus punya pemimpin, pandai main wayang, rakyat jerata semua sudah jemu dengan GERAKAN kerana pemimpinnya, dari PULAU PINANG sehingga seluruh NEGARA. Apa lagi ahli yang sudah jadi bodoh semua.

It is sad to see that gerakan youth have such a chief.

Will say one thing but do another thing.

Simply shoot out statement without going thru his CPU.

And he really look like an idiot in Malaysiakini.

http://www.malaysiakini.tv/video/17502.html

Now the damage done by Gerakan own youth chief is much more serious than joining the illegal rally to abolish ISA that you all youth protest so hard.

I believe LSP sure unable to think that he screw up his own party youth image with his stupid idiot childish naive move…

I hope he learn a very very painful and shameful lesson today, want to be a party hero also need some wisdom…

Pls view the comments of malaysiakini about gerakan youth hero today…

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/109680

Chicken gerakan youth dont want to join the rally worry kena tear gas but even without joining the rally or the rally not yet started, gerakan youth chief already kena or the first to kena from the police, so so embarassing…

警方喷射烟雾咳嗽中招

由于林时彬分别以三语发言，整个记者会耗时较久。在记者会中途，驻扎一旁的警方“突发奇招”，射出一阵呛鼻的化学烟雾，导致民青团员与记者纷纷咳嗽。

这时，一名电视台的摄像记者，快速拿出口罩，继续采访。不过，其他没准备的记者却纷纷遭殃。

呈备忘录不成拍照留念

林时彬无奈之下，只好再转移阵地，到更远处继续未完的记者会。在记者会结束后，民青团员还排成一列，列阵“摆普士”拍照，以纪念难忘的“游行”活动。

民青团临阵退缩不出席大集会
抢先向皇宫呈备忘录尴尬遭拒

在支持与反对内安法令两大阵营号召大集会前夕，民青团突然从旁杀出，抢先一天到国家皇宫提呈“废除内安法令”的备忘录。不料，国家皇宫官员却指民青团没有事先预约，拒绝接受他们的备忘录，导致民青团无功而返。

民青团原订在明日亲身支持废除内安法令联盟主办的大集会，惟随着警方把集会列为非法，民青团临阵退缩，决定提早一天自己向国家皇宫提呈备忘录。

在过程中，相信是第一次率队游行的民青团长林时彬，对警方的指示言听计从，包括打消游行的原意，改乘汽车到皇宫呈备忘录。

【点击观看现场短片】

警方阻众人游行到皇宫

媒体也是迟至今日早上才接到民政党的通知，邀请采访这项出人意表的活动。

到了下午2点半左右，林时彬率领大约20名团员，到国家皇宫附近的一座商业大厦集合，准备游行到皇宫。

不过，早已在现场驻守的警方却阻止民青团游行。一名带队的警官上前与林时彬交涉，后者也频频点头，认同警方的立场。

游行不成改乘汽车前往

当被告知只能乘车前往皇宫时，林时彬甚至反问该名警官：“皇宫前面是否有地方泊车？”

“我们带20名团员前往，是否OK？不过我也要带着记者一起去。”

林时彬与警官交涉数分钟后，同意乘车前往皇宫。他也转头以广东话告诉身旁的民青团员：“不要与他们（警方）起争执，我们乘车去。”

没有预约皇宫拒绝接收

这批民青团员过后即分乘数辆汽车前往国家皇宫。不料，到达皇宫后，警方却只允许他们派出5人呈交备忘录，后来更是只允许林时彬一人到皇宫大门前，隔着铁栅把备忘录交给皇宫代表。

林时彬对警方的所有指示显得毫不抗拒，也同意只身呈交备忘录。

但是经历一波三折的民青团，再遭戏剧性挫折。由于事先没致函皇宫预约，因此皇宫代表拒绝接受民青团的备忘录。

不参与明日“非法集会”

无功而返的林时彬过后受到记者的包围，准备在大门铁栅前召开记者会。不过，亲自率队的十五碑警区主任旺阿都巴里（Wan Abdul Bari），却又阻止林时彬，并要求他退出大门范围，才能发表谈话。

屡遭挫折的林时彬却毫不气馁，反而遵从警方指示，退开约50公尺后才召开记者会。他表示，由于警方已宣布明日的废除内安法令集会属于非法，因此民青团不会参与，并提前一日向国家元首提呈备忘录。

“因为吉隆坡总警长已经宣布明日是非法集会，所以我们不会参加‘非法的东西’。”

询及若有民青团员出席明日的集会，会否遭到纪律对付，林时彬并没正面回答，只表示：“我认为没有团员会参加，因为我们所有人已经在这里。”

他也指出，民青团将会尽快致函预约皇宫代表，以在最短时间内再到皇宫呈交备忘录。

警方喷射烟雾咳嗽中招

由于林时彬分别以三语发言，整个记者会耗时较久。在记者会中途，驻扎一旁的警方“突发奇招”，射出一阵呛鼻的化学烟雾，导致民青团员与记者纷纷咳嗽。

这时，一名电视台的摄像记者，快速拿出口罩，继续采访。不过，其他没准备的记者却纷纷遭殃。

呈备忘录不成拍照留念

林时彬无奈之下，只好再转移阵地，到更远处继续未完的记者会。在记者会结束后，民青团员还排成一列，列阵“摆普士”拍照，以纪念难忘的“游行”活动。

Today, gerakan faces one of the biggest embarassment and it is caused by national gerakan youth chief, Lim Si Pin.
Just see malaysiakini today. The public have express anger towards Gerakan and it is not only because the last minute withdrawal from GMI gathering. But mainly because LSP’s flip flop, issuing statement to support GMI without thinking can fulfill or not, misleading the public on participating the demostration. All this is because of personal publicity…..cheap publicity.
And to make things worst, he don’t even know or bother to check out what is the protokol to deliver memorandum to the palace? (how do he think he is….even the PM also need to respect the palace protokol)

Another damage by the Lim Keng Yaik and family to gerakan.

The pic of Gerakan group. Which one is Lim Si Pin. Is it the one holding a bag. Shit

http://minaq-jinggo.fotopages.com/?entry=1904382

trust me…...i believe after the next party election, he will no longer be the youth chief of gerakan.
Most party member and even outside the party are sick of this person. No wonder he lost in the Batu election by more than 9000 votes!!!!!!!!

LSP has really make Gerakan look stupid yesterday.

He want personal publicity….please look other method.
Don’t use gerakan like this for personal interest.

Guys,

read this, if u donno chinese, pls ask someone to trasnlate…this is what i said here all the while…

發表非法集會損國家形象言論‧隆雪華青抨擊馬青

（吉隆坡）吉隆坡暨雪蘭莪中華大會堂青年團抨擊馬青指非法集會有損國家形象的言論。

這青年團團長吳仲順發表文告，表示對馬青的論調，深表遺憾，且無法苟同。

他說，在社會大眾的廢除內安法令的呼聲高漲之際，人民也拿出道德勇氣參與和平集會，馬青卻在早前唱反調，表示不認同民間以非法集會方式表達看法，因為非法集會有損國家形象。

他強調，集會並沒有非法或合法之分，因為聯邦憲法和世界人權宣言皆賦予公民自由集會的權利。所謂有損國家形象的批評更是不知所雲，有損國家形象的事情多的很，絕對不可能是集會要求廢除內安法令。

隆雪華青也認為，民青團不應在最後一分鐘臨陣退縮，私自於週五（7月31日）呈交備忘錄。

“民青團在獲知警方將對付集會出席者後，就轉口說不參與非法集會，這樣的說詞已經違反了民青團之前所說的“秉持捍衛維護憲法精神的立場”。民青團應該堅持之前的立場，堅持做對的事情。”

隆雪華青敦促馬青及民青團，如果秉持捍衛人權的原則，應該協助促請內政部長和警方勿以暴力鎮壓和平集會，讓集會和平順利地進行，因為這是舉國人民期盼看到的結局。

To all the anti ISA protesters, you have done Malaysia proud. What happened in the Federal Capital will be beam the world over. Police brutality will be shown and 1 Malaysia where Malaysians of all walks of lives walk and got beaten together for a noble cause is for the world to see…i salute you all !!

fred,

hahahahah….....i this the quality of a gerakan leader?
gerakan youth with this type of leader?

Can someone please send the youtube video to Lim Keng Taik and see what he want to say to his son…......sigh!!!

dear yap,
for your info, most of the gerakan youth in malaysia (including those outside penang) are regretting putting Lim si pin as the youth chief.

but that is a mistake we have to live until next election. Maybe now you will understand why people don’t come out and support him (including only about 20 people only attended the isa gathering organised by him….....it was not 40 as reported….....as most are reporters!!!)

It is better for gerakan youth to close shop now than continue more damage and more embarassment to parti gerakan.

There are one person here who uses different names to criticise blindly.

The protocol of the palace is an excuse, show me where is such written rule?  Pro-ISA group managed to deliver the memo without such protocol, why the double standard???  Pro ma!

There is also an IDIOT spreading NONSENSE ABOUT THE MALAYSIAKINI VIDEOCLIP ABOUT THE ‘DISGUSTED’ LADY reporter.  The absolutely untrue, her reaction was obviously due to tear gas not the PC.  Please be a gentleman whoever you are, confront face to face, NOT such despicable act in the net, real pondan!

Admin of this website, please be monitor fairly and transparent at the comments, particularly the troublemaker who uses different identities to critcise.  You can find out either fr his email or the IPS number.

To lim si pin,
please don’t send your stupid soldier like Sean to this website. You think you are a prince ah…...everything also want to control?
Go and change your face first before start telling people what to say or not!!!

Sean,
see also this comment by the readers of malaysiakini today about LSP…...
maybe you can also write to malaysiakini to check those readers…..is this democracy in gerakan youth????
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/109773

The monkeys are getting vulgar & furious…let the people judge…yes, I m a fren of Huan, a good one, not SP; just cannot tahan these monkeys.  Penang needs no more monkeys, yesterday my chips were eaten by them at Batu Ferringhi.

Sean,

please don’t bluff. You are defintely someone from Lim Si Pin and trying to clear his image here. For your info, this is a democrasi country and everyone can say what they think is right or wrong.
It just happen that most people think lim si pin is useless.
If you don’t believe, just see malaysiakini…..see the view of people outside gerakan…..
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/109773
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/109680

We know that he is a friend of yours and you need to kow tow to him. But please judge for yourself. He can sell off his friend in GMI. So, what makes you think he will not sell you off tomorrow?

can someone who know LSP email pls send him this URL so that he knows what gerakan youth opinion on his leadership. Hope he learn something here and improve…

示威无理？
谢光亮 @ 318 on 2009’年‘08’月‘04’日’ (20 x 网民/会员)

示威导致交通瘫痪，示威导致商店关门，示威破坏国家形象。为什么要示威？为什么要上街抗议？有用吗？示威可以改变现状吗？要表达意见或改变的话，是通过五年一次的选举，不是通过示威。不论是2007年的“公选盟”、“兴权会”或几个月前的“反英化数理”示威，以上种种“反示威”的论调是最普通不过。

和平示威是我们最基本的权力之一。联邦宪法第十条第一项赋予每位公民拥有和平集会的权力。集会也是民主自由的一部分。单单一场和平示威不可能有什么即刻的变化，但是和平示威乃民众自我表达的基本权力。和平示威乃民主自由的体现之一，也可以看出究竟掌权者是否可以容得下异议之声。

和平示威是全球人的文化，并不是某个人的文化。世界上有哪些国家没有和平示威的？西方国家示威犹如家常便饭自然不在话下；亚洲国家和地区也有大大小小的示威，台湾、香港、韩国都有，甚至比我国相对发展落后的印尼、泰国和菲律宾都有。

一些政党和人士指出示威威胁民众安全、商店不敢营业、交通瘫痪。类似愚民的言论旨在混淆视线。一场和平的示威井然有序，志工团负责维持交通。可是一切的混乱始于警方发射数百枚从天而降的催泪弹和如暴雨般的水炮“招待”示威者。因此，民众安全受威胁、商店关门、交通瘫痪，警方始作俑者，难辞其咎。

上街和平示威的目的是向普罗大众传达讯息，以及向政府呛声。如果把和平示威地点改在一座四面无人的体育馆，那么集会讯息如何传达给四周的人？体育馆的示威示给谁来看，抗议谁来听？

只有专政集权的政府才会镇压和平示威，因为示威已经挑战当权者的权威。正如前首相阿都拉在2007年“公选盟”示威前表示“我避忌被挑战”（Saya pantang dicabar），结果被示威者改为“人民避忌被挑战”（Rakyat pantang dicabar）。

一个专政霸 道的政府从来不讲究民意民主自由。自从那吉上任首相以来所喊出的“一个马来西亚”口号——“以民为本，成就为重”（Rakyat Didahulukan, Pencapaian Diutamakan）。既然‘以民为本’，凡是都应该以民为先为重为主。讽刺的是，当中的‘民’竟然没有包括‘民意’。那吉一手策划的霹雳州政变没有俯顺霹雳人的民意解散州议会，那吉政府没有应大道使用者之要求国有化大道公司，那吉政府没有重视8月1日两万人上街示威游行的民意。或许，在那吉眼里，霹雳人、大道使用者和两万人都是‘一小撮的滋事分子’？

阿都拉下台，那吉上台，似乎让人觉得换了‘新政府’。事实上，这个政府虽然是披着新衣，可是脑子里尽是旧思维旧政权。不仅如此，新政府旧政权不但不尊重基本和平集会的权力，反而变本加厉打压民主空间。801废除内安法令万人大集会中，在那吉政府的领导之下，警方一共逮捕了589位示威者。这是建国以来警方最有效率最了不起最符合KPI的成就！

Last modified on 2009-08-04 23:54:01 by 谢光亮

Penangites,

It is obvious now that DAP penang is felling the pressure and have to kowtow to the demand of an NGO whose vision is to islamic the living of all malaysians by 2020. What u have to said about this?

Notice that it is not PAS or PKR yet but an NGO! I wonder what Jeff Ooi have to say!!!

Also in Selangor, What Ronnie Liu have to say!!! To resign and give way to the demand of PAS and PKR over such an important post in Selangor EXCO. Isn’t that DAP bow to PAS and PKR? And this about chinese and indian right!

Kedah DAP already cannot condone PAS aggression in Kedah and now Penang and Selangor. What u have to say about kowtow now? And all this just slightly over a year into PR reign!

Kg Lrg Buag Pala,

Now the fact is clear. DAP or PR can just throw out the purchase because the time lapse but LGE chose to go thru the deal. Where the heart for the Indians who give him the votes? BN initiates the deal but the deal was consider over because it lapse and that should end BN resposibility in this matter but Penang PR gov esp LGE should to go thru the deal and issue the koperasi the title. Whose is at fault now, u say.

About TBH,

All DNA doesn’t match, what does that tell u and us?

MACC didn’t do it and neither DAP but now who? To me that left the underworld. One or likely two who would have push him over. Anyway let us wait and see further the inquest

Get a lawyer and ask him what i say is right or not from legal point of view.

U made general statements again. Jeff ooi voice up but now he has to retract and that imply saying “sorry, i am wrong”. As for the rest u didn’t answer! Pls not use vougal word. We are not gangster ‘kong so” here! Why do u think LGE says JIM is not an extremist? What u think was the real reason behind. Anwar was from ABIM and 1/3 of PKR Malays member was from ABIM. One of ABIM goal is also to islamic all the non!

This is for all to read.

Anwar has been the fireman who has been putting out fire here and there. I comment khalid wise move to come out with a in between solution. But Malay majority consist of how many % malay?

I begin to see the erosion of non-malay right and freedom. It’s already happened in Kelantan, Trengganu, kedah and now selangor(where chinese and indian composition is high and all this in and during PR reign!)

Kelantan has no cinema nor empat ekor nor beer. All this is good but the point is, it is based on islamic priciple. lipstick and high heel are consider sexy. At one time i thought PAS supported pig farming but they abolish the abboitor without providing alternative place in kedah. I doubt their sincerity now. Now in selangor, more than 60% population are non and they can come out with this policy. JIM to LGE is not an extremist(only those who throw a bomb is?!) Maybe islam has also taken foot into penang- the only state where malay is not the majority! What has DAP and The chinese and indian in PKR do or can do to stop all this? Maybe one day we all have to wear baju melayu and songkok to work because only that is seem right. I think in this aspect, MCA, MIC Gerakan and other BN components parties in Sabah and Sarawak has done a better job in condoning UMNO and PBB as to practise a more moderate and modern islamic principle. What UMNO did to support PAS is just to break PAS away from PR and weaken PR-i think we all can see that. My whole political struggle is to make sure malaysia remain as secular as possible not only for me but also for my future generation! How about u all?

So, is PR really fair to all the race? I think by looking at the composition of PR and the NGOs and Anwar himself i think we can get a clearer picture. Just think for a while - PAS or DAP- which is more important to Anwar? Don’t forget who and from where Anwar himself started his political struggle. Actually he only has one goal that is to be PM. Everything else is just a tool to achieve his goal. I bet if UMNO were to accept him back and offer him PM, will he still continue his struggle in PR? The only word i remember him say was in one of the budget speech - pembangkang-pembangkang yang tidak guna! while he was the DPM and finance minister. I don’t think this guy can be trusted. Anyway, this is a choice we have to make. We don’t have much choice, have we!

gerakan member,

u r right, BN is using their bias and double standard and they just keep quite since advantage on their side.

A video clip to share…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKjMnaXtZwQ&feature=player_embedded

UMNO Under Najib-Muhyiddin BN-Govt is Becoming MORE RACIST

Tuesday, August 11, 2009

....And MCA, MIC and GERAKAN are supporting UMNO that is becoming more RACIST after 2008 Election

1. SUPPORT FOR MCA, MIC and GERAKAN = SUPPORT FOR MORE RACIST UMNO in a N-Government

2. SUPPORTING PAS = SUPPORTING PRO-UMNO PAS LEADERSHIP

UMNO Trojan-Horses in PAS Leadership

UMNO Raises the RACE CARD Stakes to Kill Off Pakatan Rakyat Coalition Read here for more in Malaysian Insider

Excerpts:

Umno appears to have DISCARDED plans to widen the party’s appeal and speak for all Malaysians.

Facing pressure from its rank and file, and concerned that its mantle as defender of Malay rights is under threat from PAS, the ruling party is retreating into its own cocoon.

It is understood that NONE of the leaders of BN component parties (MCA, MIC, GERAKAN) challenged this view.

A BN leader told The Malaysian Insider:

  “There is a hardening of Umno’s position.

  The openness and willingness to become more inclusive is NOT evident.”

In recent weeks, Umno leaders and Utusan Malaysia have become more strident in their remarks in what is a palpable attempt to shore up its position as the defender of MALAY interests.

  1. Umno and Utusan accusing the Pakatan Rakyat (PR) party of being anti-Malay and anti-Malay rulers.

  2. Deputy PM Muhyiddin Yassin is now on the forefront of a campaign to restore Umno as the ultimate defender of the Malays and Islam.

    During yesterday’s Barisan Nasional (BN) supreme council meeting, Gerakan president Tan Sri Koh Tsu Koon highlighted a series of incendiary commentaries in the Umno-owned Utusan Malaysia and said he was troubled by the effect it was having on race relations. In response, Muhyiddin justified the pitch taken by Utusan Malaysia by saying that Malays believe that Umno is weak and giving in too much to the demands of non-Malays.

  3. A minor dispute over the illegal seizure of beer in Selangor has been turned into a major affront to Muslim rights.

  4. The DAP has been the subject of heavy bombardment of late.

The repeated accusations of treachery against Malay leaders, also appears to have put Anwar and PAS under severe pressure.

PAS leaders who count on the conservative Malay heartland for its core support are worried that its continued partnership with a DAP that is being successfully demonised by UMNO.

This month’s Permatang Pasir by-election will serve as a chance for Umno to test out the appeal of its more aggressive stance to champion the right wing Malay cause. Umno will be hoping to score a victory, after its narrow defeat in the recent Manek Urai vote, in a state constituency located within Anwar’s Permatang Pauh stronghold.

PR Has 2 Years, How Long Does BN Have?

I read that Muhyiddin predicted PR may not last more than 2 years. Mahathir expected the PR to lose Selangor. A number of leaders from BN component parties are expecting the nascent coalition to crumble anytime soon. Leaders such as Khairy Jamaluddin are busy courting the Pan-Islamic Party (PAS) to join UMNO to unite the Malays.

What motivated their prediction? There were bickering in Kedah, Penang and Selangor. Over what? Pig’s abattoir, banning of beer in muslim majority areas, Kampung Buah Pala and other menial issues. Most of them opined that PAS and DAP cannot coexist due to their vast ideological difference.

For BN’s own survival, it is even more dangerous for the leaders NOT to acknowledge that their coalition faces even more daunting challenges e.g. lost of credibility, the death of Teoh Beng Hock in custody, racist media propaganda against non-Malays, Kampung Buah Pala, PKFZ, leadership crisis in almost all BN component parties, abuse of state machinery and public institutions, Perak power grab, corruption etc.

Many of these issues and controversies may not encourage the voters to support the BN coalition.

If the PR has two more years, how long does BN have?
Posted by Khoo Kay Peng at 5:42 PM

Gerakan Youth, how are you going to explain to the chinese in P.Pasir. It is in the chinese blood and behaviour when someone who has a bad name, most of the chinese will not even come near him???.

Do you know what most chinese will think… you are helping a umno malay to cheat the Chinese. Indirectly umno is killing Gerakan.

I agree with u penangites that he is not an ideal candidate. But the chinese in PP also worried about the recent issues involving the pig and land issue in Kedah and beer issue in Selangor. To me all these issues again reflect racial and religious sentiment.
Also Now Pg DAP govt washing his hand in Kg Buah Pala and being haunted by them everywhere he goes! Voters are torn between the two! But to me, the candidate personal issue is still less important as compare to the party he represent. Whether he can serve the voters well, that is also an important issue. Development another. I think this is a balance view and let the voters balance the two and decide who to vote for!

how many poor indian like those in Kg buah pala can get this chance of life times to obtain a 2 storey house in penang where property price is among the highest in malaysia.

Those resident that get nothing should blame those politician that influence them instead of accusing and blaming the state govt weather is previous BN or current PR.

Sometimes i so hate those politician. Just wan to make cheap publicity and cause those poor resident get nothing at the end, they just screw things up.

wise guy,

dont bring up those old story and past issue to divert people atention here. look ahead n forward. I know u r one of the capable guy in gerakan, just do something for your party and importantly for the rakyat rather than hamtam PR/DAP/PKR/PAS, it will do u and your party no good. Rakyat hv make strong decision on Permatang Pasir. My personal advise to you is need to know where the evil is(in front of you or behind you)...dont too close with it and dont be their slave or soldier, rakyat will not appreciate your party sacrifice for the evil site. u know what i mean. Fight for rakyat instead!!

p/s : i no need to picture Gerakan n MCA kowtow to UMNO, it is the truth and fact already, till now u still cant admit?? Go ask rakyat.
U dont even know why rakyat reject you at the first place, the root cause, then u already lose the battle before the war started. Kanneh, why i so help u all so much here.

Poll shows many urban Malaysians back right to public demonstrations

KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 8 – Fact or myth: That a majority of Malaysians opposed the ISA protests and other demonstrations.

Fact or myth: That city folk despise street protests and the traffic congestion and other disruptions brought about when thousands of Malaysians march.

Findings of a recent survey – carried out after the ISA demonstrations in Kuala Lumpur – shows that there is a slim margin between those who support and oppose street protests.

The poll of 1,000 individuals representative of the demographics of the country also indicates that the majority of urban dwellers believe that the government should allow street protests, supporting the thesis that city folk are willing to put up with traffic congestion and other inconvenience as long as demonstrators are championing issues of national interest.

Some 50 per cent of those polled believed that demonstrations are a waste of time, and believed that the government should move to stop protests. But 42 per cent supported the ISA protests and felt that the government should allow demonstrations.

This finding will surprise the Barisan Nasional government that has operated on the premise that the vast majority of Malaysians or the silent majority of peace and stability-loving individuals are against the messiness of street politics.

This assumption has encouraged the authorities to take a tough stance against demonstrators and the organisers of protests.

The survey, conducted by Vox Malaysia, a new polling and research outfit, also challenges another common-held position: that city folk beset with traffic congestion, road blocks and other disruptions are anti-demonstrations.

There is generally a higher tolerance for demonstration among urban Malaysians vis-a-vis rural folk. Some 62 per cent of urban folk interviewed said they support the ISA demonstrators compared with 38 per cent of rural folk interviewed.

Also, 67 per cent of urban folk polled said that while they did not care about the ISA demonstrators, they believed that the government should allow demonstrations. Only 33 per cent of rural folk surveyed felt the same way.

Quite clearly, those who identified themselves as Pakatan Rakyat supporters were more tolerant of demonstrations. Some 46 per cent of those who identified themselves as Pakatan Rakyat supporters said they supported the ISA demonstrations, compared with 38 per cent of independents and 16 per cent of Barisan Nasional supporters.

Quite clearly, all the findings taken together suggest that the Najib administration may need to reassess some assumptions it has about Malaysians and their perception of demonstrations.

The mainstream media may also need to revisit some of the reports and cliched headlines after street protests.